Softail Primary Hardware

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banquo

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Managed in typical incompetent fashion :mad: to mash one of the fastener heads on the chain inspection cover, by the simple expedient of using a T25 bit, when HH tells me it's a T27 (which I didn't know existed).
I was wondering about replacing all the fasteners with stainless, having seen the ?48.35 that Guernsey want for the chrome option, and preferring stainless in any case.
Does anyone know:
a. If someone supplies a full kit for stainless replacement of all the hardware for the primary cover [Inspection cover (2 short + 2 long Torx Button head)), Derby Cover (5 Torx Button head) and primary cover (various sizes of Allen Bolt)]
b. What the thread and length sizes are for all the various types, so I don't have to take it all off again to measure them? That way I could buy stainless from any supplier....
Thanx!
 
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Jake I just take off two here and three here and take them to the bolt specialist and ask for ''six of these, in stainless'' or whatever and the guy comes right back with 'em....

never mind all that measuring crap. Then again, maybe you do not have a good shop near you?

?48 for chrome that flakes on a few bolts? :eek:

Man usually I have trouble getting up to ''minimum cash sale ?5'' where I go to.....

Also if something came as a Torx, where is the rule that says YOU have to replace with a Torx?
 
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Chaincase screws are;

1/4" UNC x 30mm long x 7 off and
1/4"UNC x 50mm long x 5off

Just measured mine last night with the same thing in mind as yerself ;)
Agree with Dave, I much prefer allen cap to torx.:confused:
 
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i'm sure there is a guy up that there north who only deals in stainless fasteners
i think his name is andy middleton ??? and will supply anything to pattern and very cheap

hope this helps
 
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Stig Fasteners based in Darlington. I use them all the time & always recieve excellent service with rapid delivery. I usually just Email my requirements & pay with Paypal, but you can browse & buy online at
www.a2stainless.co.uk.

PS. P&P is well cheap aswell.

SHOEI
 
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Banquo
I've used these guys many times and can't rate them high enough.

Have a look at the web site www.nuts4bolts.com, does a lot of top quality stainless fixings for the marine and aircraft industry.
 
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Daves advice is spot on, open the yellow page and find a fixing's factor, I dont know about scotland but round here its IFS.
jeez they are only bolts or screws, not the holy grail;:(
 
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Thanx all: that's really useful.
The guys I buy from are D. Middleton in Yorkshire. They did me proud when my sissy bar fixing kit didn't (fix, that is) and had a couple of stainless bolts of the right length here in no time. They make a lot themselves, so you get flat heads, with no ugly stamping, on their hex bolts. Good for the rear fender mounts in any case, as the stock ones seize pretty easily with all that crap flying about in there.
D. Middleton are here:
http://www.stainlessmiddleton.co.uk/lubrication%20page.htm

Davie: thanx for the lengths: Kiwi Dave - this is Perth: you can't take yer bolts tae yer local shop, because the only local shop's Tescos.... :D :D :D
Oh, and I'm not thinking of replacing with torx, but the button heads on Derby and Inspection cover need to stay as button head, preferably with hex socket drive. Don't like Torx: reminds me too much of rounded Pozidrive fasteners on my 1st Suzuki...

Mind you, I'll get on a lot better now I'm using the right size of bit.... :-(
T27.jpg
 
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[FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL]Q.[/FONT][FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL] What is the difference between a fastener and a fixing?[/FONT]
[FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL]A.[/FONT][FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL] A fastener joins together two existing elements or parts and a fixing attaches a moveable element to a fixed one. This is only a general rule and there are many exceptions and the terms are often used interchangeably. For example, a wood screw is a fastener but is often used as a fixing.
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[FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL]Q.[/FONT][FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL] How are fasteners classified?[/FONT]
[FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL]A.[/FONT][FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL] fasteners are either:
  • threaded e.g. nuts, bolts, screws and studs
  • non threaded e.g. nails, rivets, pins and washers
[/FONT][FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL]Q.[/FONT][FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL] Why are there so many different types of thread?[/FONT]
[FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL]A.[/FONT][FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL] In the 19th century each industrialised company adopted its own thread standards. In Britain Sir Joseph Whitworth introduced what is now known as the British Standard Whitworth thread (BSW) and the fine pitch series became known as British Standard Fine thread (BSF). Similar work was carried out in the US by William Sellers. In 1948 the US, Britain and Canada established the Unified series now generally known as UNC (coarse pitch) and UNF (fine pitch). Unified threads are commonly used in the automotive, chemical and agricultural industries. European threads are based upon the German DIN standards and are Metric coarse pitch and Metric fine pitch. Metric fasteners have slightly shorter pitch (distance between threads) than the imperial equivalent.
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[FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL]Q.[/FONT][FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL] How do I specify a fastener?[/FONT]
[FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL]A.[/FONT][FONT=VERDANA, ARIAL] The exact specification of a fastener consists of:
  • Generic dimensional standard for the fastener required - generally DIN standards but British Standards such as BS916 (black bolts & nuts) are also used
  • Head style and drive - necessary when using British Standards but often detailed in the DIN standard
  • Thread type
  • Diameter of the fastener (shank diameter)
  • Length of the fastener (may be overall length or length under the head depending upon the dimensional standard)
  • The decorative or protective finish required.
Therefore the specification for a hexagon headed bolt with a half inch shank, three inches long under the head with a unified fine pitch thread and no finish is: 1/2UNF x 3 Din 931.

If metric dimensions are specified, a course thread will be supplied by default. If a fine pitch thread is required, this must be indicated after the diameter. A contersunk slotted head machine screw, thirty millimetre overall length, eight millimetre diameter with a fine pitch thread plated in bright zinc with a clear passivate is: M8 x 1.0 x 30 Din 963 BZP.

However, the standards are so well known throughout the fastener industry that a description of the fastener, instead of the standard number, is nearly always sufficient. For example: M10 x 50 Socket Set Screw ZYP.
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kiwidave said:
Man usually I have trouble getting up to ''minimum cash sale ?5'' where I go to.....
Click to expand...
BTW Dave, with a procurement policy like that, you should be heading up the Rider's Club team on Scrapheap Challenge... :D
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interesting artical, but doesn't Stainless react with alli? something to do with electrolitic action.
 
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Correct stainless can react with the ali. But where I have replaced my standard engine casing bolts with stanless. I have used 'copper-ease' on the bolts to stop this chemical reaction.
 
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